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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.03 13:26:00 -
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" It's CCP's game, their rules and definitions are the only ones that count. " So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:41:00 -
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Yes, Eve is a game full of bullies. In fact, they market that you "can be the villain" in this game. You didn't know this?
That's what i said:
"So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it. "
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.04 00:35:00 -
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Looks like we're in agreement :
"Yes, Eve is a game full of bullies. In fact, they market that you "can be the villain" in this game. You didn't know this?"
Can be nicely summed up:
" So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:00:00 -
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As far as the "encouragement" is concerned, it would be convenient for CCP to deny this, however you spoke the truth:
"Yes, Eve is a game full of bullies. In fact, they market that you "can be the villain" in this game. You didn't know this?"
This sets the conditions for a full-spectrum of players who derive pleasure from bullying behavior.
There will be situations in which that behavior goes out of bounds (the "Real Life" meta-meta game) and CCP will have to arbitrate.
As far as your Carebear comment, I would say hisec is the quintessential bullying environment. Those deriving pleasure from bullying others can find Players neither looking for, nor prepared for PvP, and thanks to CCP lacking mechanics to counter with defensive PvP techniques.
Slap a simple bastion mode on a T2 barge so it can tank Catalysts until Concord arrives, or turn any and all Pilots that had been in a gank-fleet red in hisec for 24 hrs (are they not declaring war and should be in a wardec environment) and you'd have a balance.
As one of my friends put it.. PvPers looking for targets that can't shoot back. A condition not easily found in losec/nulsec.
CCP has been going "advantage offensive bully", and those are the conditions it set.
So, as said:
" So CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. Got it."
If CCP wants to do away with hisec, they should just do it. But as another friend of mine said, the minute they forget that EVE was not "..all about blowing up spaceships.." .. well, let's just say they are truncating the range of game play, and, yes...
they are advantaging the bullies.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.06 20:32:00 -
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For bullies, the "ends" are merely satisfying the impulse to bully. The fact others will join them in their ends is unfortunately an historic truth. We find bullies building elaborate justifications for their bullying behavior and viewing peer participation as validation.
The discussion was about CCP enabling and encouraging bullying. And indeed, CCP is in charge of the meta-meta-game in RL, and their determinations are what counts. We agree on that. However, the notion you either accept it or leave the game is not entirely viable in a pay-for-service environment that has demonstrated quite a bit of democracy in the past. However, I'm sure bullies appreciate the idea of "luv-it-or-leave-it".
The idea that CCP is being overly influenced by the bullies should be revisited frequently lest the expanding empowerment of bully behavior be construed as validation.
I had lost my post several times attempting to use the quote function and therefore abandoned it. I'm not a professional forum pundit. |
Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:26:00 -
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For bullies, the "ends" are merely satisfying the impulse to bully. The fact others will join them in their ends is unfortunately an historic truth.
We find bullies building elaborate justifications for their bullying behavior. For some it is the rationalization that it is all just PvP in a PvP game.
Not to mention, CCP enables and encourages bullying. |
Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:52:00 -
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Now that's PvP Leto Thule
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 21:50:00 -
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Me too. Maybe Capt Starfox could clarify by stating something like:
"Every now and then sensible and fundamentally decent people will embark, all of a sudden, on courses of which they themselves are the first to disapprove. In these cases the evil-doer acts as though he were possessed by some entity different from and hostile to his ordinary self. In fact, he is the victim of a neutral mechanism, which has got out of hand and, from being the servant of its possessor, has become his master."
See if I got the quote thing right.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:14:00 -
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It didn't have anything to do with your killboard. I thought it clarified the confusion nicely. |
Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:19:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:Meh, just remove ship-ship collisions, save the server CPU time.
It's not like we are really piloting the ships anyway.
I was so disappointed when I found my joystick was useless for EVE when I first tried it.
You might be in the wrong forum channel.
We were discussing how CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.
But we are really piloting our ships.. just not with a joystick. |
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:41:00 -
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CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE online, and they can be influenced to moderate it, and have in fact moderated it in the past.
In an earlier post I suggested perhaps CCP should simply do away with hisec. What's the point? All positive from my perspective. All pilots would have access to all the PvP mechanics available in nulsec (let's just go for nulsec), and bullies would be deprived of the gratification of gratuitous griefing.
Also, there are PvP mechanics for hisec. If pilots are engaged in illegal ganking operations, that is declaration of war on CONCORD defacto, and those pilots in fleet prior to and during the gank should be red to all hisec pilots for 24 hours.
Certainly this is consistent with existing mechanics and rules, and certainly proud "PvPers" would not eschew the additional "content".
No, my friend, your argument amounts to no more than an elaborate self-justification for bullying. It has no merit.
The practitioners are what they are.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:45:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:Gui Tiaowu wrote:
We were discussing how I think CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.
I fixed for you.
Oh no. Everyone in the discussion had agreed that this was the case, and even wanted to equate ALL PvP to Bullying.
I don't think all PvP is bullying, but that was yet another rationalization for the bullying behavior by some bullies.
CCP does indeed enable and encourage bullying behavior in EVE Online.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:51:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:Gui Tiaowu wrote:Puppy Eating wrote:Meh, just remove ship-ship collisions, save the server CPU time.
It's not like we are really piloting the ships anyway.
I was so disappointed when I found my joystick was useless for EVE when I first tried it. You might be in the wrong forum channel. We were discussing how CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online. But we are really piloting our ships.. just not with a joystick. That's Navigation, not direct Piloting, Wing Commander/Allegiance style. I, for one, wouldn't mind high-sec being safe from greifing by other players, but without the massive profits/rewards available in low/null. I ain't making enough to PLEX my time, but I have the cash to pay for an ongoing sub. Some days I just want to sit back after work, and do a little low stress space-trucking on my one account; trading time-reward vs. risk-reward. If CCP doesn't provide that opportunity, then after my 1 month 'come back please!' special is over, I might not be renewing, maybe I'll play some EQ, or FF instead. (except I'm a spaceship kinda guy, down to the massive pile of 80's spaceship lego. ("SPACESHIP!"))
It's all good. There's nothing wrong with being a CareBear, even some of the time.
Bullies simply demonize the CareBears to justify their bullying.
There is plenty opportunity for the most torrid PvP in EVE, and you don't have to look far. There is plenty PvP even in hisec, without bullying behavior. In fact there are many Corps that do nothing but PvP.
The truth is, the more elaborate the justification they have to make, the more likely they are involved in bullying and griefing behavior.
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Gui Tiaowu
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Posted - 2014.07.08 00:31:00 -
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she got no luv  |
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